tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post318997939727101951..comments2024-03-29T01:24:45.251+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Tribus miraculis ...Fr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-77732380664569326532020-01-08T15:55:33.000+00:002020-01-08T15:55:33.000+00:00"from the 8th to the 14th of the third month ...<i>"from the 8th to the 14th of the third month of the Essenian calendar and from the 24th to the 30th of the eighth month. This second period falls towards the end of September, confirming the solid foundation for the Byzantine feast of "The Conception of John" on 23 September."</i><br /><br />Does this mean St. Zachary can have served as Essenian rather than standard temple Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-69369545836504168972020-01-08T14:52:32.850+00:002020-01-08T14:52:32.850+00:00Thanks Fr. Justin for clarifying the calculation o...Thanks Fr. Justin for clarifying the calculation of the reign of Augustus by the ancients.Toddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00202156079831053710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-45164766599725186542020-01-08T11:17:18.527+00:002020-01-08T11:17:18.527+00:00As noted above, Pope Francis saw no problem in gre...As noted above, Pope Francis saw no problem in greeting "the brothers of the Eastern Churches, Catholic and Orthodox, who today celebrate the Lord's Christmas" on January 7, even though he himself celebrated it on December 25.<br /><br />The official translation of the Roman Martyrology for Christmas, found in Appendix I of the current Roman Missal and authorized by Catholic bishopsfrjustinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10109539584303934489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-10601215693089502312020-01-07T20:22:17.408+00:002020-01-07T20:22:17.408+00:00Dear Fr. Justin. Your link is to an anti-western p...Dear Fr. Justin. Your link is to an anti-western polemic. It is not pastoral. But, one can see where you get your putative pagan-orgins for The Incarnation claims.<br /><br />How pastoral of you :)Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-43346831597468927822020-01-07T20:17:16.251+00:002020-01-07T20:17:16.251+00:00Dear Fr. Justin. More than a few facts have been p...Dear Fr. Justin. More than a few facts have been posted here, all but one, from reliable Catholic sources attesting to the true birth date of Jesus Christ - December 25th - and not one of those Catholic sources make any mention of The Catholic Church trying to co-opt pagan celebrations. Instead, the free E-book by Dr Marshall shows why the wiki claims you posted are bogus<br /><br />Your source Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-29982329864633217242020-01-07T18:38:03.198+00:002020-01-07T18:38:03.198+00:00Modern historians date the reign of Augustus from ...Modern historians date the reign of Augustus from the time he was given sole power by the Senate in January 27 BC, but ancient historians date it as beginning immediately after the assassination of Julius Caesar. The ancient reckoning followed by Hippolytus is continued to this day in the Roman Martyrology for Christmas, translated in Appendix I of the Roman Missal. This dates the birth of Christfrjustinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10109539584303934489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-1248614766049186342020-01-07T15:25:45.950+00:002020-01-07T15:25:45.950+00:00On this January 7, Pope Francis tweets:
Pope Fran...On this January 7, Pope Francis tweets:<br /><br />Pope Francis<br />Verified account @Pontifex<br /><br />I address a special thought to the brothers of the Eastern Churches, Catholic and Orthodox, who today celebrate the Lord's Christmas. To all I wish the light and peace of Christ the Saviour.<br />frjustinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10109539584303934489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-71835137221367575272020-01-07T15:24:06.847+00:002020-01-07T15:24:06.847+00:00Dear Father. ABS has created a blog to post the Do...Dear Father. ABS has created a blog to post the Download from The Catholic Counter Reformation in the XXTH Century mentioned above:<br /><br />https://nesceinet.blogspot.comMick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-47680028810367234512020-01-07T14:31:16.726+00:002020-01-07T14:31:16.726+00:00FrJustin- the quote from Hippolytus speaks of the ...FrJustin- the quote from Hippolytus speaks of the "forty-second year of the reign of Augustus" but Augustus only reigned 40 years from January 27 BC to August 14 AD. Is there an explanation for this discrepancy? <br /><br />Todd Voss Toddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00202156079831053710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-10113300910160868392020-01-07T12:56:35.376+00:002020-01-07T12:56:35.376+00:00My purpose here is liturgical and pastoral. It is ...My purpose here is liturgical and pastoral. It is to show that my fellow Catholics of the Armenian, Coptic and Russian rites, who celebrate Christmas on January 6 or 7, are not wrong to do so. They are in full communion with us Roman Catholics who celebrate December 25. The purpose of their Christmas liturgies, as of ours, is to extend the mystery of the Incarnation to all times and places. frjustinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10109539584303934489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-87458431994739612862020-01-06T21:32:10.400+00:002020-01-06T21:32:10.400+00:00Dear Father. On last item
ABS has a lengthy downl...Dear Father. On last item<br /><br />ABS has a lengthy download from the movement begun by the enigmatic priest, The Abbe de Nantes, The Catholic Counter Revolution in the XXTH century.<br /><br />It consists of 20 pages (Sadly, the original posting has been deleted) but it teems with interesting information:<br /><br /><i> In 1995, the Israeli scholar Shemaryahu Talmon published a study in the Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-40576640380710955262020-01-06T17:34:20.196+00:002020-01-06T17:34:20.196+00:00For those numerologists there is Saint Matthew'...For those numerologists there is Saint Matthew's Gospel to consider.<br /><br />ABS has this in his files but he has lost the source:<br /><br /><i>It is interesting to note that the Julian Calendar, which was put into effect throughout the Roman Empire by Julius Caesar on January first, 45 BC, sets ups a "perpetual calendar" of fourteen months in a cycle of twenty-eight years. ThisMick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-267644833499263522020-01-06T09:28:23.282+00:002020-01-06T09:28:23.282+00:00Wikipedia has an excellent article on the date of ...Wikipedia has an excellent article on the date of Christmas in the Coptic Church:<br /><br />"Coptic Christmas is observed on what the Julian Calendar labels 25 December, a date that currently corresponds with 7 January on the more widely used Gregorian Calendar (which is also when Christmas is observed in Eastern Orthodox countries such as Russia). <br /><br />The 25 December Nativity of frjustinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10109539584303934489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-17338328998284956082020-01-06T06:29:13.293+00:002020-01-06T06:29:13.293+00:00ABS, that quote makes a lot of sense.After all, th...ABS, that quote makes a lot of sense.After all, the Lord is the God of Moses before he is the God of Wordsworth. God is not revealing the Messiah first to 'humble honest shepherds as a sentimental gesture,but making a hugely significant connection between the Messaiah and the Priesthood and the Passover sacrifice.Grant Milburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11381331872077276383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-1149343072127806482020-01-06T03:09:51.426+00:002020-01-06T03:09:51.426+00:00Yes ABS - I learned about that this year as well. ...Yes ABS - I learned about that this year as well. And note these lambs were destined for the temple sacrifices - thus they had to be "without blemish." How fitting. <br />this pure victim, <br />this holy victim, <br />this spotless victim...Toddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00202156079831053710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-27473102371127671932020-01-06T01:27:36.170+00:002020-01-06T01:27:36.170+00:00It seems that historically the Church celebrated t...It seems that historically the Church celebrated the birth of Christ on January 6th until the 4th century. In order to counter pagan traditions,the Roman Church started celebrating the birthday of Jesus Christ on December 25. Later, the day of the birth of Christ in nearly the entire East became December 25, and January 6 remained as the Baptism Day.<br /><br />To this day the Armenian Church - frjustinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10109539584303934489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-84962905644793105312020-01-05T22:16:54.470+00:002020-01-05T22:16:54.470+00:00oops, forgot to provide a link to Edelsheim's ...oops, forgot to provide a link to Edelsheim's book:<br /><br />https://tinyurl.com/gvmb6xf<br /><br /><br /><br />Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-87511763478710263572020-01-05T22:12:30.153+00:002020-01-05T22:12:30.153+00:00Dear Hans. Us Catholics are often told to scour so...Dear Hans. Us Catholics are often told to scour sources other than Catholic ones to defend the December 25th Date for the Birth of Christ. <br /><br />Well, one can cite the work of a Jewish Christian convert who wrote in his book:<br /><br /><i> ...The Lamb of God, who was to die for our sins as an act of propitiation (not expiation).And yet Jewish tradition may here prove both illustrative and Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-42964461893322706392020-01-05T22:07:09.853+00:002020-01-05T22:07:09.853+00:00The Maronite Church offers liturgical support for ...The Maronite Church offers liturgical support for the separation of Christ's baptism and the wedding at Cana.<br /><br />As in the other Eastern Churches, the celebration of Epiphany originally centred on both the birth of our Lord and his baptism. When the later Western feast of Christmas was introduced into the East, Christmas became the feast of the birth of the Lord, and Epiphany, that offrjustinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10109539584303934489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-13230930942590611482020-01-05T15:42:17.949+00:002020-01-05T15:42:17.949+00:00Christ's baptism and the wedding at Cana would...Christ's baptism and the wedding at Cana would be more than 40 days apart.<br /><br />So, if the feast more reflects the wedding than the baptism, in its date, this is another argument for Christmas being the true date of Christ's birth.Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-33186016577018763492016-01-07T21:44:11.868+00:002016-01-07T21:44:11.868+00:00A splendid idea! Holy Name shifted to the Octave D...A splendid idea! Holy Name shifted to the Octave Day of Transfiguration (and celebrated with the Christmas preface, like it used to be on Transfigurations, and is so magnificently set into music in the Transfiguration of Messian)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-44230197007797687812016-01-05T16:33:24.751+00:002016-01-05T16:33:24.751+00:00I like to see these feasts as pairs - Circumcision...I like to see these feasts as pairs - Circumcision/Holy Name, Maundy Thursday/Corpus Christi, Good Friday/Holy Cross Day and/or Sacred Heart, Ascension/Christ the King - where one commemorates a historical event, and the other celebrates the eternal truth behind it. More arguably, add to the list Christmas/Epiphany (nativity/incarnation), Assumption/BVM Queen, and even Pentecost/Trinity.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15967143115506520306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-60766684139826202062016-01-05T12:32:17.871+00:002016-01-05T12:32:17.871+00:00Here is something from the prophetic light that co...Here is something from the prophetic light that confirms the English arrangement: the Lord asked for reparation to and by means of His Holy Face, most honoured on the Transfiguration, reparation for the abuse of His Holy Name. This devotion was well known to St Thérèse of the Child Jesus of the Holy Face and to her family.Fr PJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12597780307057121375noreply@blogger.com