tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post3152720402910838325..comments2024-03-28T14:19:53.973+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Private messagesFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-12202545331211318292017-01-10T17:45:55.438+00:002017-01-10T17:45:55.438+00:00Dear Father,
As promised, I said I would do my ho...Dear Father,<br /><br />As promised, I said I would do my homework regarding St. Pius X and "communicatio in sacris." Reading the supposed letter (it is by no means an historical certainty that the letter was authentic; we have only an unsigned copy of a letter which seems to have come from the personal pen of Pius X because it has no protocol number which would indicate it was Sean Mercerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16255413163546294154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-62560069931218793832016-12-23T19:14:21.952+00:002016-12-23T19:14:21.952+00:00Dear Father,
Thank you for taking the time to add...Dear Father,<br /><br />Thank you for taking the time to address this issue. I am a fairly new reader. I am truly surprised that Pius X would have permitted inter-communion with schismatics. But I will take your word for it and and at the same time do some research, especially as to context.<br /><br />Permit me to opine, however, that the Orthodox of both the Greek and Russian varieties have Sean Mercerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16255413163546294154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-62942123687981915482016-12-23T19:03:50.123+00:002016-12-23T19:03:50.123+00:00Sean
I think you must be a fairly new reader. May...Sean<br /><br />I think you must be a fairly new reader. May I deferentially suggest that you read my previous posts on this subject? Briefly: as late as the seventeen hundreds, intercommunion was common in the Aegean; in the twentieth century, S Pius X allowed it between Catholic Ukrainians and Russian Orthodox throughout Russia; to this day, it has not ceased being customary in the Fr John Hunwickehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-43127365239981949912016-12-23T18:55:04.712+00:002016-12-23T18:55:04.712+00:00Victor. Doesn't one have to be in a state of g...Victor. Doesn't one have to be in a state of grace to receive Holy Communion?<br /><br />How can a Lutheran be in a state of grace when he has not obeyed the Commandment to keep Holy the Lord's Day?<br /><br />A Lutheran is one who belongs to the Lutheran community and that community does not have Apostolic Secession, Holy Orders, or Eucharist and so, despite his desire to receive Holy Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-49270268921713035752016-12-23T17:39:25.374+00:002016-12-23T17:39:25.374+00:00"Many other things matter, but at this given ..."Many other things matter, but at this given moment, the desire to receive Jesus and Jesus' will to be received by this very person trump anything else."<br /><br />Thank you for your clarity.<br /><br />This position is not any more Catholic than "Amoris Laetitia." And no Ecumenical Directive from a Modernist infected Roman Dicastery can make it so. It is just one more Sean Mercerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16255413163546294154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-5429438765227349662016-12-23T10:19:02.414+00:002016-12-23T10:19:02.414+00:00Sean,
What exactly do you want to discuss here? Ye...Sean,<br />What exactly do you want to discuss here? Yes, if a Lutheran or Orthodox shares the faith of the Church concerning the Eucharist, and he has no recourse to a pastor of his own church on a sunday, and he desires to receive Our Lord and Saviour, then he may and should be admitted to Holy Communion. I think I am expressing myself quite clearly. If you disagree with me, you disagree with Victorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03983955289507752980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-25341385039834083462016-12-23T02:48:17.948+00:002016-12-23T02:48:17.948+00:00@Sean: I hesitate to intervene in a dispute betwee...@Sean: I hesitate to intervene in a dispute between others, lest I get a black eye from both; but it seems from my observation that a very much higher proportion of Orthodox (and probably not much lower a proportion of Lutherans) hold the full Catholic faith in the Eucharist than you will find among most Catholics. Are you seriously arguing that <i>that</i> does not matter?Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16010105719301587195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-12263614216652767982016-12-22T17:53:32.850+00:002016-12-22T17:53:32.850+00:00Prolly few know that it was at the International E...Prolly few know that it was at the International Eucharistic Congress. in Bogota, Columbia in 1968 (addressed personally by Pope Blessed Paul VI) that the Church approved the petition of five protestants to receive Holy Communion during the Congress.<br /><br />We can be sure that act blowed-up the Catholic mind of most men in Latin America with the result being that thought that if protestants Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-2457652192039496832016-12-22T17:25:10.836+00:002016-12-22T17:25:10.836+00:00Victor,
Are we talking past each other here? Are ...Victor,<br /><br />Are we talking past each other here? Are you really saying to admit the Lutheran or the Orthodox to the Sacrament of the Eucharist, while they can remain heretics on other vital issues? Many Lutherans and increasingly the Orthodox accept contraception within marriage. Should these be given Holy Communion in the Catholic Church? Are you seriously arguing that as long as they Sean Mercerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16255413163546294154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-25204458163007605952016-12-22T10:01:41.339+00:002016-12-22T10:01:41.339+00:00Sean,
it is you who is uncharitable. If someone wi...Sean,<br />it is you who is uncharitable. If someone wishes to receive their Lord and Saviour, they believe what the Catholic Church believes, but for some reason are barred from attending service of their confession, then yes, they SHOULD be admitted to Catholic Eucharist. In any case it is not for you to decide. This has been settled by Rome, and not by the current pope but by St John Paul II. Victorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03983955289507752980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-90352984879465264422016-12-21T16:12:44.326+00:002016-12-21T16:12:44.326+00:00Maybe the Orthodox are being admitted under the ci...Maybe the Orthodox are being admitted under the circumstances you describe; that does not mean they "should" be. What is the criteria? How is that different than certain Lutherans who believe in the Eucharist (there exist Lutheran churches with tabernacles). Should they be admitted to the Eucharist? The Orthodox, like those Lutherans, do not possess the Faith that is Catholic. Period. Sean Mercerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16255413163546294154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-61638223646017439592016-12-20T18:39:19.537+00:002016-12-20T18:39:19.537+00:00Sean,
what you are basically doing is, you take wh...Sean,<br />what you are basically doing is, you take what Fr Hunwicke said, interpret it one way, and then criticize this interpretation. I call that sloppy at best, dishonest at worst. Who is talking about Protestants? The Orthodox churches share fully the whole Catholic belief about the Eucharist; consequently, the faithful of these churches can be and are being admitted to Holy Communion when Victorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03983955289507752980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-74571679174470469122016-12-20T17:59:33.886+00:002016-12-20T17:59:33.886+00:00what if I was a ordained serbian orthodox priest w...what if I was a ordained serbian orthodox priest who loves the Old Sarum riteAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-49262200141955003482016-12-20T14:37:44.603+00:002016-12-20T14:37:44.603+00:00"In normal circumstances, you would not be al... "In normal circumstances, you would not be allowed to receive the Sacraments (although the rules of the Catholic Church in this respect are not actually as strict as some people think, as long as you share fully the whole Catholic belief about the Eucharist)."<br /><br />I do not know to what you are referring (except if it is to the spurious "ecumenical directive" regarding Sean Mercerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16255413163546294154noreply@blogger.com