tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post3145041539701381746..comments2024-03-29T09:39:50.604+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Fidei DefensatrixFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-42700728161928044552009-07-03T15:13:06.547+01:002009-07-03T15:13:06.547+01:00Poor Queen Mary II? (d.1694) always takes it on th...Poor Queen Mary II? (d.1694) always takes it on the chin because of that rotter William. I am reminded that in the poem "Now Does the Glorious Day Appear," Thomas Shadwell effervesced:<br /><br />Her hero to whose conduct and whose arms<br />The trembling Papal world their force must yield,<br />Must bend himself to her victorious charms,<br />And give up all the trophies of each field.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-6604849816869025272009-07-02T06:53:02.114+01:002009-07-02T06:53:02.114+01:00Yes!He struck medals with it on.Yes!He struck medals with it on.Fr John Hunwickehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-11901836937533972982009-07-02T00:07:20.103+01:002009-07-02T00:07:20.103+01:00Did the Stuarts continue to use the title after th...Did the Stuarts continue to use the title after the Hannoverian usurpation? I like the idea of Cardinal Henry IX, FD.Ben Whitworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00499311491843942923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-53464608726591888942009-07-01T20:48:53.409+01:002009-07-01T20:48:53.409+01:00I suspect that our host is a crypto Jacobite, and ...I suspect that our host is a crypto Jacobite, and therefore he might claim that Mary II was Mary, Queen of Scots (who was of course Mary I of Scotland). There are two further Jacobite Marys up to the present day: Mary III & II,Duchess of Modena (1792-1840) and Mary IV and III, Queen Consort of Bavaria (1849-1919)johnfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16233791349837340770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-87106588391145367872009-07-01T20:03:46.480+01:002009-07-01T20:03:46.480+01:00David's point is interesting and contains its ...David's point is interesting and contains its own answer. Since William and Mary were joint monarchs, then Mary II is a queen and accordingly Mary Tudor may rightly be described as Mary I since both were lawfully acclaimed, annointed and crowned.Arch Anglo-Catholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02028626674232998374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-66830721788723854062009-07-01T19:45:52.600+01:002009-07-01T19:45:52.600+01:00Arch Anglo-Catholic refers to Queen Mary as Queen ...Arch Anglo-Catholic refers to Queen Mary as Queen Mary I. This would be incorrect usage unless there was a subsequent Queen Mary.<br /><br />There were, of course, the joint sovereigns, William and Mary but I have never seen the terms Queen Mary I or II ever used.<br /><br />Interestingly, this error was made by Pope John Paul I in choosing his name. When informed of this later by a subordinate Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07352598115559204014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-79406030140037283652009-07-01T17:19:43.903+01:002009-07-01T17:19:43.903+01:00I was wrong on both counts: the Henrician statute ...I was wrong on both counts: the Henrician statute was repealed early in Mary's reign (and revived at the beginning of Elizabeth's), and there are a variety of examples, in official documents and otherwise, of "Fidei Defensatrix" being used of Elizabeth I.<br /><br />Despite the repeal of the Henrician statute, however, Mary employed the title throughout her reign, and on William Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-80711855288791646182009-07-01T13:17:10.442+01:002009-07-01T13:17:10.442+01:00Father,
Neither Mary I alone, nor in coinage issue...Father,<br />Neither Mary I alone, nor in coinage issued with her husband, used the term defensor fidei nor the abbreviated df as far as I am aware - see this very comprehensive site/page http://www.psdetecting.com/Inscriptions-EdwardVI-&-MaryI.html<br />regards<br />Justin ParkerArch Anglo-Catholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02028626674232998374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-65998498741959136102009-07-01T11:54:01.495+01:002009-07-01T11:54:01.495+01:00I don't know whether Bad Queen Bess ever used ...I don't know whether Bad Queen Bess ever used "Fidei Defensatrix," although I have myself never seen anything other than "Fidei Defensor."William Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-8707110674909638702009-07-01T11:36:18.907+01:002009-07-01T11:36:18.907+01:00I believe that the 1544 statute, 35 Henry VIII, c....I believe that the 1544 statute, 35 Henry VIII, c. 3, which made the title "Defender of the Faith" hereditaty, was never repealed during the reign of Good Queen Mary, and that is why Base-Born Bess was able to use it immediately upon her accession (together with a slippery "etc." of her own addition, which insinuated, but did not claim, the Royal Supremacy).<br /><br />By the William Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.com