tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post2936509117078815629..comments2024-03-29T01:24:45.251+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Apostasy??Fr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-44730140045543249212017-03-22T09:34:48.561+00:002017-03-22T09:34:48.561+00:00It struck me this morning that the present situati...It struck me this morning that the present situation of the Church is rather like the situation on Holy Saturday when Christ lay in the tomb, when all hope seemed to have gone and most of his disciples had fled.Nicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-29474303580571128562017-03-21T17:56:44.469+00:002017-03-21T17:56:44.469+00:00Thank you again, dear Father. "How much longe...Thank you again, dear Father. "How much longer, O Lord, how much longer?" Is this not what many souls are praying these days?<br /><br />What would you counsel us to do? Have the four Cardinals been silenced, threatened, black mailed, or do they think time is on their side? When heresy, blasphemy, and aposotasy seem to be everywhere who will the bull be taken by the horns? If they do vivaimmaculatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07760391199715651793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-999342730607013772017-03-21T11:54:12.344+00:002017-03-21T11:54:12.344+00:00John Vasc: Don't you mean Sir Shortly Floorcr...John Vasc: Don't you mean Sir Shortly Floorcross?Nicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-51142016721461619142017-03-20T11:30:12.169+00:002017-03-20T11:30:12.169+00:00This Archbishop and others have fallen into heresy...This Archbishop and others have fallen into heresy. A future Pope will reassert the correct teaching of the Church and they will then have to come back into line or go into schism. I think schism is more likely in Germany than Malta.Nicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-33578688560647582992017-03-19T01:06:57.584+00:002017-03-19T01:06:57.584+00:00Such papolatry is worthy of the rank paganism of a...Such papolatry is worthy of the rank paganism of ancient emperor worshipers and insults the Catholic Faith. Excommunication is too mild a punishment for this cretinous monster.coradcorloquiturhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07125381369456761748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-53282549362979303162017-03-18T11:38:03.256+00:002017-03-18T11:38:03.256+00:00Mark, why would Pope Francis fraternally correct w...Mark, why would Pope Francis fraternally correct what he himself believes to be absolutely correct? There's our trouble, double double toil and trouble.Simple Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09278399797941120022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-71278810972540065462017-03-18T11:12:11.324+00:002017-03-18T11:12:11.324+00:00It was Archbishop Scicluna of Malta who uttered th...It was Archbishop Scicluna of Malta who uttered those ludicrous words. Part of the problem with this "advice" is that Pope Francis is perfectly capable of contradicting himself, sometimes in the same speech. So which part of his speech are we supposed to follow? <br />One inglorious example was the speech to jurists where he declared that both the death penalty and life imprisonment Bill Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06490443795561210965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-68882522628040779462017-03-18T02:45:04.688+00:002017-03-18T02:45:04.688+00:00@Michael Leahy,
You observed that "This pope...@Michael Leahy,<br /><br />You observed that "This pope will not live forever." True for you, but suppose...just suppose that this pope is just the warm-up for the next. <br /><br />"And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations." Revelation 13:7<br /><br />Mala tempora currunt.<Liam Ronanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01376666519733160167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-60793259143786021472017-03-18T02:03:17.859+00:002017-03-18T02:03:17.859+00:00This pope won't live forever, but his damage m...This pope won't live forever, but his damage might. Somebody has got to do something soon. Fr. Hunwicke is absolutely right, this is apostasy. We've been talking about heresy, which assumes that the heretic starts from orthodox premises to begin with. But apostasy is flat-out rejection of the truth, and that's what we're seeing now. <br /><br />I think the reason the four Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04493096470169447646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-90620151976791913892017-03-18T00:23:40.875+00:002017-03-18T00:23:40.875+00:00http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/archb...http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/archbishop-scicluna-we-are-following-the-popes-directives<br />The source of the quotation.<br />The Archbishop does not make clear whether it is right to listen to the teaching of whoever is pope at a time in the future or whether he believes that Pope Francis is a pope above all others in the past and future.<br />Now the reference to a current pope&Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09036933832060349206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-57733276070549470572017-03-17T22:37:04.811+00:002017-03-17T22:37:04.811+00:00ML - Like the legendary Welsh Rugby player, I beli...ML - Like the legendary Welsh Rugby player, I believe in 'getting my retaliation in early' :-)John Vaschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00335331585265267754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-55426280807390235082017-03-17T22:35:34.049+00:002017-03-17T22:35:34.049+00:00There are some countries and cultures that see all...There are some countries and cultures that see all organisational leaders as politicians: a procession of binary opponents, an endless seesaw between Left and Right for the soul of the people, the material assets of the country, and its very constitution - which is regularly 'tweaked' by whichever party wins the seat of power.<br />For such anxiously rapacious politicians, the temporary John Vaschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00335331585265267754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-84395999535675798712017-03-17T22:05:19.988+00:002017-03-17T22:05:19.988+00:00In the previous pontificate, when orthodoxy was mo...In the previous pontificate, when orthodoxy was more fashionable, this same bishop was generally regarded as being quite orthodox. Like many of his confreres he changed his tune to suit the new regime. I am sure he will change again when this pope has gone to his eternal reward.<br /><br />Men like these have the spines of worms and they twist and bend in the wind of every "new doctrine&Deacon Augustinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03549825303646357455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-48058772516233246832017-03-17T21:55:56.064+00:002017-03-17T21:55:56.064+00:00Thank you Fr. Hunwicke. These things being said ar...Thank you Fr. Hunwicke. These things being said are far beyond a scandal. Worse, we have stopped listening altogether, even sneer. <br />Michael Leahy, ah, but the rules will change once we have a different pope. Today's man changes the rules depending on his personal viewpoint.<br />We appeal to Jesus and Our Lady to come to our aid. Cardinals who dare to wear the martyr's red but won&#Kathleen1031https://www.blogger.com/profile/10201084623185206141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-3582691199196854002017-03-17T19:05:55.831+00:002017-03-17T19:05:55.831+00:00With all due respect, how is the Archbishop's ...With all due respect, how is the Archbishop's comment apostasy? He is simply restating the doctrine of papal primacy in layman's terms. Is it not true that the current successor of Peter is the only living person on the planet who can provide an authentic, authoritative interpretation of doctrine and Magisterial teaching? Keep in mind, the issue is not infallibility. You are correct thatAaron Streetinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00221716028347907458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-66336088703784715212017-03-17T18:51:43.218+00:002017-03-17T18:51:43.218+00:00The Catholic Church is essentially beyond human he...The Catholic Church is essentially beyond human help. <br /><br />Maybe God wills it so to be, that his repair will be manifestly known to be divine in origin, creditable to no man or group.<br /><br />May God heal His Church soon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-71146567823607017812017-03-17T18:08:46.769+00:002017-03-17T18:08:46.769+00:00If we identify him, the most painful blow is alway...If we identify him, the most painful blow is always to the wallet. Withdraw any contributions and tell him why.Bill Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06490443795561210965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-70903004895597438482017-03-17T17:37:29.980+00:002017-03-17T17:37:29.980+00:00gsk said:
"if Francis is right, he's wron...gsk said:<br />"if Francis is right, he's wrong"<br /><br />Indeed; that is half of the point that has been worrying me.<br /><br />But there's actually a full Catch-22, of which gsk has missed the other half - if Francis is wrong, then all Popes can be wrong.<br /> <br />If a Pope can correct the teaching of previous Popes, then we cannot believe anything that any Pope teaches RichardThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16761130714944237699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-30614603302964069402017-03-17T17:23:42.316+00:002017-03-17T17:23:42.316+00:00Surely the much-praised humility of Pope Francis c...Surely the much-praised humility of Pope Francis cannot stand this sycophantic exaggeration of his powers?RichardThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16761130714944237699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-42486441076115723902017-03-17T17:06:28.141+00:002017-03-17T17:06:28.141+00:00I am seriously contemplating Judaism. Events are u...I am seriously contemplating Judaism. Events are utterly destroying the credibility of the papacy and thereby Catholicism; if Catholicism no longer makes sense, the whole Christian narrative fails.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12177827661591645391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-30417580626253738292017-03-17T15:50:38.896+00:002017-03-17T15:50:38.896+00:00They make the white smoke by burning the teachings...They make the white smoke by burning the teachings of all previous popes.Ben Whitworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00499311491843942923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-48286403194658989022017-03-17T15:37:11.570+00:002017-03-17T15:37:11.570+00:00The problem with actually agreeing with everything...The problem with actually agreeing with everything Pope Francis says is that he is perfectly capable of contradicting himself, sometimes in the same speech. You would be like St Thomas More's son in law, of whom the great man remarked that once his head stopped spinning you could only hope that his face was still at the front.<br />Bill Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06490443795561210965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-36220793446139599872017-03-17T14:58:56.465+00:002017-03-17T14:58:56.465+00:00I doubt whether this bishop's outrageous state...I doubt whether this bishop's outrageous statement reflects his views alone. He seemed to show no sense that he was uttering a daring novelty, merely what he feels is or ought to be the standard Catholic view of things. The fact that he spells it out so plainly and boldly, in fact quite crudely, indicates to me that he did not expect to be contradicted. Yet how can his former colleagues at Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-71267313600592984612017-03-17T13:41:32.425+00:002017-03-17T13:41:32.425+00:00This pope will not live forever. The logic of this...This pope will not live forever. The logic of this Archbishop is that we can then disregard and forget about everything he has said.Michael Leahyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15044897013849386271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-61381290778273497702017-03-17T13:06:01.235+00:002017-03-17T13:06:01.235+00:00Great point, Highland Cathedral, which highlights ...Great point, Highland Cathedral, which highlights the internal contradiction of this entire papacy: if Francis is right, he's wrong. The only reason we listen is because of the authority vested in the office. If he wishes to eradicate tradition, he is sawing off the very branch on which he is perched. gskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17498244324906079070noreply@blogger.com