tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post2758334470612558439..comments2024-03-29T09:39:50.604+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Agony AuntFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-40629818161587662472016-02-25T03:32:59.399+00:002016-02-25T03:32:59.399+00:00Thank you, Fr. Hunwicke. I appreciate it. I just...Thank you, Fr. Hunwicke. I appreciate it. I just saw your reply and am delving into your blog as I we speak to educate myself. Yes, I really do want to know. Thank you for your help.<br /><br />TomTom Broughtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740316569743632258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-89407019871351564642016-02-24T22:48:54.585+00:002016-02-24T22:48:54.585+00:00No, Tom, I don't think you did.
I've put...No, Tom, I don't think you did. <br /><br />I've put a fuller reply onto the blog, indicating some for-starters reading if you really DO want an answer ...Fr John Hunwickehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-22900832140802013192016-02-24T21:33:11.904+00:002016-02-24T21:33:11.904+00:00Fr. Hunwicke,
What I have surmised from using the...Fr. Hunwicke,<br /><br />What I have surmised from using the beloved search engine is that you find Eucharistic Prayer 2 to be too short to do justice to the Eucharist--and feel that this prayer was composed in a haphazard manner. I have endeavored to summarize your point of view in a pithy manner, as it should be. Did I get this right?<br /><br />TomTom Broughtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740316569743632258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-38781843895868920612016-02-23T23:43:28.306+00:002016-02-23T23:43:28.306+00:00SEAN: I get the point about children; we had five....SEAN: I get the point about children; we had five. But they will have to meet the reality of Novus Ordo worship eventually ... best that they should do so under your tutelage; with your explanations.<br />TOM: "Why don't I like Prayer 2?" The problem here is that I do quite often explain what is wrong with it; but I can't explain it daily, or regular readers might get bored. Fr John Hunwickehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-56774955026160829682016-02-23T22:44:10.775+00:002016-02-23T22:44:10.775+00:00"Considering the graces that have been lavish..."Considering the graces that have been lavished on you, why are so much less holy than your fellow-worshippers to whom God has not given nearly as much?" All too true. Of course, I don't know what graces others have been given, but the undoubted fact that I have wasted and trashed so much that He has given me puts me in no position to feel superior to anyone. <br /><br />Perhaps Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-91625698547725136282016-02-23T21:50:37.133+00:002016-02-23T21:50:37.133+00:00With respect to my last comment, having briefly co...With respect to my last comment, having briefly consulted Callan and McHugh's Moral Theology (MT), it seems that tempting God is a sin of irreligiosity, not sacrilege (cf. II MT 2305-07), while one type of sacrilege is "scandalous manner of enacting sacred rites" (II MT 2311(c)). May one suspect that the kind of man-centered liturgy one not infrequently encounters in the OF in many Woodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08910654300435533408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-8184489696148100162016-02-23T21:28:35.176+00:002016-02-23T21:28:35.176+00:00Dear Father, I ask this question not because I res...Dear Father, I ask this question not because I resort to the type of thinking I will mention, but because I know of others who might. The thinking of some that I have read about, anyway, if not met, is that one is excused from the Sunday obligation if it is "morally impossible" to assist at Holy Mass. I believe these folks would say that if assisting at a blatantly bad (one could say Woodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08910654300435533408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-29189943417797937622016-02-23T21:25:59.288+00:002016-02-23T21:25:59.288+00:00I am not understanding what your real contention i...I am not understanding what your real contention is in your commentary of today. From what you wrote, I surmise that you and many people do not prefer the Novus Ordo Mass. (I agree, too.) You also think that the second Eucharistic prayer about "send down thy spirit like the dew-fall ..." is too short and--I am guessing--trite. You think they should use the first Eucharistic prayer Tom Broughtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740316569743632258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-1484421583687284052016-02-23T21:23:06.606+00:002016-02-23T21:23:06.606+00:00"the Immolation of the Lamb slain before the ..."the Immolation of the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world."<br />Lordy Father! Are you sure you want to say this?<br />This Gnostic Eternally Slain Lamb idea - rehabilitated by Hans Urs von Balthasar? <br />Surely some mistake?<br />At it's least problematic I suppose you could go down the Scotist rather than Thomist line on why God becomes man but surely not something Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-5361925053131459692016-02-23T20:48:59.046+00:002016-02-23T20:48:59.046+00:00I must say Father, that I frequently find myself i...I must say Father, that I frequently find myself irritated by things in the New Mass I normally have to attend, particularly when hearing the previous night's news repeated by the bidders (sometimes even children, which really bugs me).<br /><br />That is why I (and Herself incidently?) do not always go to Holy Communion to the sometimes perceived annoyance of the shufflers who think we just Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743062941733814176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-11017517425817376272016-02-23T15:53:53.011+00:002016-02-23T15:53:53.011+00:00It is exceedingly difficult to stand by quietly wh...It is exceedingly difficult to stand by quietly while the high priests and temple guards slap Jesus on the face, Father. Even so, the Blessed Mother and Saint John stood in silent prayer and reverence at the foot of the Cross as Jesus was so horrifically and providentially sacrificed through the agency of those same high priests.<br /><br />Liam Ronanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01376666519733160167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-62359857394325023792016-02-23T15:36:27.250+00:002016-02-23T15:36:27.250+00:00Dear Vince
A very good question ... about which m...Dear Vince<br /><br />A very good question ... about which my post was rather slippery! Briefly: I would go to an EF Mass if one were reasonably accessible; otherwise, I would do my best with the OF. I don't think anyone nowadays would be fierce with you about sticking to Parish boundaries. Here in Oxford, the Ordinariate Mass (attended by people from far outside the parish boundaries) is Fr John Hunwickehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-8977500122849739962016-02-23T15:28:02.174+00:002016-02-23T15:28:02.174+00:00I have often wondered about cases that are of such...I have often wondered about cases that are of such a nature that they pose a real threat to passing the faith on to one's children. By this I don't mean mere minor editorial insertions into the liturgy or occasional acts of ritual impiety, but cases of serious scandalous (borderline heretical or blasphemous) preaching by the celebrant, or liturgical abuses of such a nature as to seriouslySean W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10085184456489549231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-79175383154410596122016-02-23T14:27:22.678+00:002016-02-23T14:27:22.678+00:00Thank you, Father, for a very nice contribution to...Thank you, Father, for a very nice contribution to the needs of long-suffering faithful. Even minor abuses today (particularly, but not exclusively, in the novus ordo) can trigger repressed memories of decades of liturgical, auditory, and visual abuse -- post-traumatic stress?<br /><br />When feeling particularly set upon and ungrateful I like to try to model and ask the help of the saints in Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-25122106396613821662016-02-23T12:59:16.006+00:002016-02-23T12:59:16.006+00:00Thank you father.
Currently I am unable to atten...Thank you father.<br /><br /><br />Currently I am unable to attend my usual church on Sunday's because of railway works and so go to the local church and to tell the truth I did not think it possible to exit a church with such feelings of to be honest and to my shame anger. I have been tempted to not go at all and it is with a sense of dread I walk to the church so thank you for your timely Seaneinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01506043518713550239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-39043413455901114072016-02-23T12:48:15.312+00:002016-02-23T12:48:15.312+00:00Dear Fr. Hunwicke,
For most of my life, I have in...Dear Fr. Hunwicke,<br /><br />For most of my life, I have infested the Archdiocese of Los Angeles in the U.S., where what C.S. Lewis would call 'liturgical fidget' is a veritable St. Vitus' Dance among RC clergy. During the time when I sojourned among the Romans, some ten or so years, I was present perhaps three times at a Mass where there was not one form or another of liturgical Bernard Brandthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00159541603126407072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-82597649727495233582016-02-23T12:33:43.778+00:002016-02-23T12:33:43.778+00:00Dear Father - You say, "I would advise everyb...Dear Father - You say, "I would advise everybody whose local church does the Novus Ordo decently to join their fellow-Catholics in praying that Mass devoutly." By "local church" do you mean one's territorial parish or do you mean the diocese in which one resides? That is, for the non-Ordinariate attendees, would you advise one going to his or her territorial parish if the Vince Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07345974029289027984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-36634489719124138182016-02-23T10:48:46.473+00:002016-02-23T10:48:46.473+00:00Thank you, Father. There is a particular prayer I ...Thank you, Father. There is a particular prayer I often pray after receiving Our Lord, no matter the frustrations inherent in how a given Mass may have been offered.<br /><br />"O most Holy, O most benign, O noble and glorious Virgin Mary, who wast worthy to bear in thy sacred womb the Creator of all, at thy virginal breast to nourish Him whose true, real, and most Holy Body and Blood I, an KnotWilburhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13369948710051125884noreply@blogger.com