tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post2517615539097936655..comments2024-03-27T17:29:51.954+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Incardination?Fr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-33274142729677356622018-03-22T21:03:43.867+00:002018-03-22T21:03:43.867+00:00Does the Church of England do very well without it...Does the Church of England do very well without it? I think the CofE has failed. Inability to control faithless priests has been a factor in the collapse. They have been free to spread false ideas and the chaos has undermined the witness of the faithful.<br />I suspect that incarnation is the only thing holding back gay marriages blessed in Catholic churches, concelebrations with women priests, Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09347231130073317533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-14765358634532423772018-03-22T17:11:25.969+00:002018-03-22T17:11:25.969+00:00Some of your more erudite bloggers will be able to...Some of your more erudite bloggers will be able to answer the following question, and it is all to do with the position of parish clergy vis a vis their bishop.<br /><br />Pre-Reformation England always gave the title "Sir" to priests. Was this for parish priests/rectors only or for all clergy?<br /><br />(See Eamon Duffy's "Voices of Morebath")1569 Risinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17680321977918677689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-10066463770269111222018-03-22T17:01:19.729+00:002018-03-22T17:01:19.729+00:00How far back does "incardination" go? I...How far back does "incardination" go? In other words, is it a post-Reformation "development" within the Catholic Church which the Church of England, due to "1559 and All That," escaped, or was it an aspect, or feature, of the pre-Reformation Church which was later attenuated in the Church of England? I ask, because I read, years ago, that in the Church of Sweden William Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09043433059401608468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-19256605163576691262018-03-22T16:58:29.231+00:002018-03-22T16:58:29.231+00:00The only obituary I have read of Cardinal O'Br...The only obituary I have read of Cardinal O'Brien is in The Telegraph and is very harsh. Father you refer to him as a 'sexual predator abusing his clergy'.<br /><br />In fact we know very little of what he actually did other than his own admission that his behaviour fell below expected standards in sexual matters and that this was in the 1980s; that is about 30 years ago.<br /><br />Nicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-11353420724049666642018-03-22T16:56:15.007+00:002018-03-22T16:56:15.007+00:00Monty Python's Flying CircusMonty Python's Flying CircusBilly Bloggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07992324931718933915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-87964808518357291282018-03-22T15:56:59.452+00:002018-03-22T15:56:59.452+00:00A question, relating to your questions: how might ...A question, relating to your questions: how might [non]incardination harmonize with, as you have so eloquently cited and quoted and of your own words explained, the conception of a Particular Church as integrating The Bishop of a Place (usually) <i>together with</i> his Curia <i>together with</i> the Faithful ordinarily dwelling there?Belfry Bathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00514867101036143597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-26408102818207379312018-03-22T15:42:36.050+00:002018-03-22T15:42:36.050+00:00Reflecting on this "culture of infantilism&qu...Reflecting on this "culture of infantilism" a bit further, it occurs to me that if we transform it into a "hermeneutic of infantilism" we have the potential for great explanatory power (plus, using Greek words gives me a sorta <i>Teutonic</i> thrill). For example, if, utilizing our new hermeutic we locate canonization and hyperueberultramontanism within the overal "mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12847411975641738898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-81585500376568705602018-03-22T14:41:51.698+00:002018-03-22T14:41:51.698+00:00There was a time...before the Revolution on the Co...There was a time...before the Revolution on the Continent in any case, where the clergy enjoyed a considerable amount of freedom. What with parish priests having quite free reign and control, and Reverend Canons galore bumbling about and writing erudite histories on obscure subjects. Not that they went unguided or unregulated, but every one knew the extent of their freedoms and the limits of Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15161007761537545209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-9274554506958625802018-03-22T13:05:37.897+00:002018-03-22T13:05:37.897+00:00This post just blew my mind. I have never thought ...This post just blew my mind. I have never thought about how incardination contributes to the Latin Church's woes.<br /><br />At least on this side of the pond, setting aside the libs and mods, your average traditional or conservative Latin wholeheartedly supports clerical top-heaviness, they just think that the problems come about from having the wrong people pulling on the centralized leversAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-34009988598849785962018-03-22T12:37:46.329+00:002018-03-22T12:37:46.329+00:00An old priest commenting on the pre-1918 caononica...An old priest commenting on the pre-1918 caononical situation said that a bishop was placed between the anvil of parish priests and the hammer of Rome, which seems a happy balance between the Universal and Local Church. <br /><br />That culture lead to Bishop Amigo of Southwark who was determined to excommunicate Modernist clergy after the promulgation of Pascendi but was told he could do what heFr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-67417421471163190852018-03-22T12:34:51.524+00:002018-03-22T12:34:51.524+00:00The good news is that Cardinal Nichols reaches the...The good news is that Cardinal Nichols reaches the age of 75 in November 2020. Let us hope that not too much damage is done in the next two and a half years.Et Expectohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04273064434098923960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-3338060966385165872018-03-22T12:10:59.383+00:002018-03-22T12:10:59.383+00:00The term "infantilizing culture" I think...The term "infantilizing culture" I think hits the nail on the head, strikes a psychologically true chord. It's a whole culture, and what does it tell us about at least some of the men who seek to become part of such a culture? Yes, I know we have--or used to have--this notion of "vocation" having to do with the Spirit whispering in one's ear, just as He is said to mark wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12847411975641738898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-76143609514233928632018-03-22T11:34:15.940+00:002018-03-22T11:34:15.940+00:00If the understanding of incardination underlying t...If the understanding of incardination underlying the anonymous priest's comment were accurate then it might be reasonable to assume that the very notion of incardination might be problematic. However, it is not so. The problem - to which the Nichollsian example bears witness - is antinominianism. In a Church which has lived as if its canons do not bind either the weak or the strong, Trisagionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15689037119871067090noreply@blogger.com