tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post2418420685714920344..comments2024-03-29T01:24:45.251+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: PluralityFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-18919946018331542402010-01-20T13:33:59.736+00:002010-01-20T13:33:59.736+00:00!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-73720746442829296332010-01-15T14:37:43.129+00:002010-01-15T14:37:43.129+00:00In this sense, I'm thinking of the future, say...<i>In this sense, I'm thinking of the future, say five or ten years from now, when the Ordinariates have been established are are settled into normal operation. By then, I would imagine that pretty nearly all of those who are now considering joining their local ordinariate (either as an individual or a group) will have already done so, </i><br /><br />I think not. Indeed, precisely the Sir Watkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02000106556898498656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-79445335080497940292010-01-15T08:45:36.395+00:002010-01-15T08:45:36.395+00:00Derek
It is most unlikely that any Anglican congr...Derek<br /><br />It is most unlikely that any Anglican congregation (or diocese) would agree to an arrangement such as that described for receiving Communion outside the Mass which they were attending.<br /><br />Anyone with memories of doing so is very likely already to be Roman Catholic, or huddled in some tiny pocket of ultra traditionalism, or departed.<br /><br />It is equally unlikely that Christian Yearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03236392933982723276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-23889924594308159302010-01-15T01:43:42.153+00:002010-01-15T01:43:42.153+00:00(I remember hearing of one that used to use the ex...<i>(I remember hearing of one that used to use the extra "communion" to make sandwiches to go with the tea afterwards)</i><br /><br />Derek, a truly horrid thought occurs to me: Does the Dutch touch extend to evangelicals as well? <br /><br />Here at least, Evangelicals can be quite lax as to Baptism, though I do think they would make sure a clerical candidate...Kiranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15869694933362233326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-17870099600778616562010-01-15T00:32:28.723+00:002010-01-15T00:32:28.723+00:00In reply to Kiran: "I suppose in such cases,...In reply to Kiran: "I suppose in such cases, neither party would reserve the sacrament?"<br /><br />Yes, that was my thought. Although, I imagine that in the case of a parish built by one church, for its use, and then extended to use by both churches, one might imagine that the original builder of the building (probably C of E, in the case of England) could continue to reserve the Derek Christensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12686471103851060271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-62103753347464914232010-01-14T23:38:12.938+00:002010-01-14T23:38:12.938+00:00Derek,
I suppose in such cases, neither party wou...Derek,<br /><br />I suppose in such cases, neither party would reserve the sacrament?Kiranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15869694933362233326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-65898695886347294032010-01-14T23:35:09.025+00:002010-01-14T23:35:09.025+00:00Michael, while I agree it is indeed more psycholog...Michael, while I agree it is <i>indeed</i> more psychologically appropriate, I don't think it is <i>only</i> psychologically appropriate. I think it is also semiotically and sacramentally appropriate. <br /><br />I am not a theologian, but I offer the following under correction: Each Mass (or at least each Mass of a given liturgical day) is a particular act of anamnesis of the Sacrifice of Kiranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15869694933362233326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-69129736779574877292010-01-14T18:29:30.088+00:002010-01-14T18:29:30.088+00:00Leaving aside the questions of scandal (already we...Leaving aside the questions of scandal (already well answered by others) and law (much the same), I would like to comment on the question of practicality. That is to say, I don't think it would be practical at all. In this sense, I'm thinking of the future, say five or ten years from now, when the Ordinariates have been established are are settled into normal operation. By then, I Derek Christensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12686471103851060271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-52161491490512004832010-01-14T15:32:56.136+00:002010-01-14T15:32:56.136+00:00At the level of principle, I think Gideon's re...At the level of <i>principle</i>, I think Gideon's response (leaving aside particular reasons) is on track -- the danger of "objective scandal" of simulation of communion where real communion is not the case. (The "omigosh!, look what they're doing!" type of scandal is not what I mean.)<br /><br />Dane's note about the nuns at All Souls is interesting, and Michael McDonoughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17384055883425252489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-81629211446716328672010-01-14T03:32:46.425+00:002010-01-14T03:32:46.425+00:00At All Saints Convent In Catonsville, MD, the 2 si...At All Saints Convent In Catonsville, MD, the 2 sisters who are still Episcopalians recieve communion from an Episcopal preist in the Lady Chapel.Dane Garretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14821085777130984984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-9583279312542647662010-01-14T02:23:30.376+00:002010-01-14T02:23:30.376+00:00It all sounds rather Heath Robinson.It all sounds rather Heath Robinson.Christian Yearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03236392933982723276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-75704447424924201732010-01-14T01:58:50.531+00:002010-01-14T01:58:50.531+00:00Er... two words: 'Grave scandal'?
Implyin...Er... two words: 'Grave scandal'?<br /><br />Implying that the two things are equal? Which there is at least reasonable reason to doubt given the continued non-acceptance by the Catholic Church of Anglican Orders.<br /><br />Or implying that the schism is not real, or at least does not carry any consequence other than a slight inconvenience?Gideon Ertnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06572157722582694936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-87346313296272351942010-01-14T01:07:48.022+00:002010-01-14T01:07:48.022+00:00There is just such a church in Virginia Beach, VA....There is just such a church in Virginia Beach, VA. Except it is a RC/Episcopal parish. Rather on the liberal side too. All is done together unitl the Eucharistic Prayer then they go to seperate sides of the nave with two different altars and rejoin for the prayer of thanksgiving.Fr. Fraserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03552290873285940203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-15336827283621673372010-01-14T00:02:59.345+00:002010-01-14T00:02:59.345+00:00There is something odd about ordinarily communicat...There is something odd about ordinarily communicating people outside of Mass. I can't think of a canonical reason off the top of my head, but theologically, it does seem odd even if it has happened in the past. Benedict XIV, I think, insisted that communion preferably be from the hosts at the Mass where the Eucharist is effected:<br /><br /><i>"And although in addition to those to whom Kiranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15869694933362233326noreply@blogger.com