tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post1623195786812723975..comments2024-03-27T17:29:51.954+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Pope or Tradition?Fr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-14223803866114770422015-05-13T17:56:23.029+01:002015-05-13T17:56:23.029+01:00The "Seamless Garment" doctrine was, if ...The "Seamless Garment" doctrine was, if I recall correctly, first proposed by Cardinal Bernadin of Chicago in the late 1970's (there were probably precursors somewhere). It was subsequently glommed on to by the Liberal Lefties and has been trumpeted from the rooftops ever since, at least here in the USA. Tradition it ain't, nor should it be.Tamquamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17362772766116096557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-46887962140122301672015-03-08T03:11:06.509+00:002015-03-08T03:11:06.509+00:00@Stilbelieve
John Paull II did not change Church &...@Stilbelieve<br />John Paull II did not change Church 'teaching' on capital punishment and the Conference of Catholic bishops in the US are not an infallible group. Is that the first thing you disagree with that they have done? They have become increasingly vocal on issues that are not 'non negotiables' (intrinsically evil in and of themselves). Issues that are not non platohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02429282716197202042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-55519776719322813312015-01-11T20:19:15.953+00:002015-01-11T20:19:15.953+00:00I asked Eques to substantiate his claim that my ac...I asked Eques to substantiate his claim that my account of the doctrine of the papacy was contradicted by senior clerics. He has very kindly satisfied me that was indeed treated with great impropriety by many clerics. We should pray for these clerics, and for those, perhaps not a few, whom they have harmed.Fr John Hunwickehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-3095428603198937112015-01-09T10:13:11.703+00:002015-01-09T10:13:11.703+00:00Excellent post Father. You have articulated in suc...Excellent post Father. You have articulated in such a clear manner what I've been thinking for several months.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-30154240686719552782015-01-07T12:28:54.468+00:002015-01-07T12:28:54.468+00:00Father YES!!! Well put! Many Catholics use the Nur...Father YES!!! Well put! Many Catholics use the Nuremburg defence. It is reprobate to say "I was only following orders or well it was fashion". We have to judge and act according to truth not fashion. Sacred Tradition is source of truth and lense for judging the times.John Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04705606458418222924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-38053296821323633562015-01-07T04:11:33.330+00:002015-01-07T04:11:33.330+00:00I think the Roman papacy is part of God's plan...I think the Roman papacy is part of God's plan for His Church, but, what has it become? And indeed, Fr. Hunwicke, if I thought your take on the relation between tradition and the papacy was that put forward by those in charge of the institution, then I think I would be happy to be still with you. However, it has been made clear in many ways to me, and that by clerics in positions in the Fr. Michael LaRuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04824777871450270095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-77545756301987754842015-01-07T00:30:54.127+00:002015-01-07T00:30:54.127+00:00"But, in my own experience of Orthodox Christ..."But, in my own experience of Orthodox Christians, the message that full communion with the See of Rome actually means Sacred Tradition being replaced by the Absolute Power of whoever happens currently to be the Roman Pontiff ... or, even worse, by sectional interests able to get their hands on the levers of power and to manipulate the Papacy so as to promote their own innovatory agendas ...Paul Borealishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04587742974754513543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-68963160104643303252015-01-06T21:20:54.850+00:002015-01-06T21:20:54.850+00:00The issue of "Pope or Tradition" didn...The issue of "Pope or Tradition" didn't seem to come up when Pope John Paul II changed the teaching of the Catholic Church on capital punishment as no longer being necessary, which the U.S. Catholic bishops have grabbed and are running with. <br /><br />"The punishment imposed must be proportionate to the gravity of the offense." This is the tradition of the teaching in Stilbelievehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06945131184371759988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-82815098328036287992015-01-06T12:14:30.968+00:002015-01-06T12:14:30.968+00:00A perceptive and timely observation, Father!
One ...A perceptive and timely observation, Father!<br /><br />One might contrast the effusive reactions of certain ecclesiastics to the current Pontiff with their less amicable view of – or outright opposition to – his predecessor. But ‘attachment to the person’ is hardly new. In Apostolic times St. Paul nipped it in the bud with the Corinthians - but some seem not to have learned the lesson.GORhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14313101159848740722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-2543151896281552302015-01-06T03:40:46.067+00:002015-01-06T03:40:46.067+00:00Of course, we're all left to wonder where this...Of course, we're all left to wonder where this hyperpapalism on the part of the German cardinals was before March, 2013.<br /><br />There *is* a certain breed of conservative which, ever so steadily since the 19th century, has managed to put the <i>ultra</i> in ultramontanism, no matter how many contortions were necessary to play the game. But for our Teutonic brigade and their various Athelstanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346012062816580296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-25223792602576591262015-01-06T01:43:04.046+00:002015-01-06T01:43:04.046+00:00Thank you, Father. Really: thank you.
J.Thank you, Father. Really: thank you. <br />J.Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12634293172724647135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-46716140068107692782015-01-05T23:02:43.522+00:002015-01-05T23:02:43.522+00:00Well done Father! Well done!
Well done Father! Well done!<br /><br />Jason W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15219122564233642143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-24172370393701367462015-01-05T22:35:17.143+00:002015-01-05T22:35:17.143+00:00My understanding is that the Catholic Faith rests ...My understanding is that the Catholic Faith rests on Scripture, Revelation (by Christ), and Tradition, as expressed in the Sacred Magisterium of the Church. (4th year RE and Apologetics at school if I remember correctly).<br /><br />Now no one, including Cardinal Marx, has to be a Catholic, but all who so choose are bound to accept this. That includes bishops and Popes. I presume therefore Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743062941733814176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-216553188125833822015-01-05T22:21:40.905+00:002015-01-05T22:21:40.905+00:00“B John Henry Newman, Patron of our Ordinariate, b...“B John Henry Newman, Patron of our Ordinariate, brilliantly characterised the charisma, the genius, of the Roman Church as its capacity to act as a remora, a breakwater, a hindrance, a stopper against innovation. That's what the Pope's job is.” <br /><br />Some Popes have done this job splendidly. Others – often those who saw themselves as reformers – have not. One of the finest examplesMarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06358902257202587076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-37475966914024812042015-01-05T21:08:27.799+00:002015-01-05T21:08:27.799+00:00You nailed it. The degree to which the Papacy is a...You nailed it. The degree to which the Papacy is a vehicle for innovation is indirectly proportional to the chances of West and East reconciling. The more of the former, the less likely the latter.Stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12833345391579579562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-54617128680744640362015-01-05T19:32:53.662+00:002015-01-05T19:32:53.662+00:00Bravo, Fr Hunwicke!Bravo, Fr Hunwicke!D. Benedict Andersen OSBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14666112025416568912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-46623163443371080632015-01-05T18:42:49.367+00:002015-01-05T18:42:49.367+00:00Those who propose innovative understandings of doc...Those who propose innovative understandings of doctrine and practice are not only heretics, but they are schismatics - they are trying to institute schism from the Church which has gone before.<br /><br />"Ad Tuendam Fidem" is a very useful document in these circumstances in that it clearly sets out in the footnotes that the universality of the Ordinary Magisterium is primarily a Deacon Augustinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03549825303646357455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-82910294421935844452015-01-05T16:56:42.218+00:002015-01-05T16:56:42.218+00:00Thank you, Father.Thank you, Father.Romulushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18071095565318181930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-44111389348865744152015-01-05T16:48:31.916+00:002015-01-05T16:48:31.916+00:00"...the genius, of the Roman Church as its ca..."...the genius, of the Roman Church as its capacity to act as a remora, a breakwater, a hindrance, a stopper against innovation"<br /><br />UPON THIS ROCK<br /><br />Weary, weary,<br />On this earth<br />Shielding souls<br />Beyond their worth.<br /><br />Few are grateful<br />Some regress<br />Others proud<br />They won’t confess<br /><br />When the waves<br />Break on the shore<br />Long-Skirtshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00791967605782446951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-19663195986294518642015-01-05T11:36:13.182+00:002015-01-05T11:36:13.182+00:00You speak with clarity and courage - and many, man...You speak with clarity and courage - and many, many Catholics the world over side with you against this new heresy.<br /><br />Will we have to have to wait for Trent II to obtain its condemnation?<br /><br />Mediatrix omnium gratiarum, ora pro nobis.<br />Interemptrix cunctarum hæresum, ora pro nobis.Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387698013828199070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-44546405120964113082015-01-05T11:32:13.705+00:002015-01-05T11:32:13.705+00:00Saint Vincent of Lerins tells us why we Catholic C...Saint Vincent of Lerins tells us why we Catholic Christians are being tried by this synod: <b><i>For the Lord, your God, tries you, to know whether you love Him with all your heart and with all your soul.”</i></b><br /><br />And Saint Vincent tells us what we must do -reject novelty;<br /><br />[7.] <i>What then will a Catholic Christian do, if a small portion of the Church have cut itself off Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-75911701823848646342015-01-05T11:29:44.236+00:002015-01-05T11:29:44.236+00:00If we disregard Tradition, the Catholic becomes &q...If we disregard Tradition, the Catholic becomes "a rudderless ship".Paulusmaximushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14183126491509874339noreply@blogger.com