tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post1533152583784614866..comments2024-03-28T23:52:48.762+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Father Aidan Nichols on HyperultrapapalismFr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-62160736336783281082018-12-12T21:07:54.842+00:002018-12-12T21:07:54.842+00:00Well, Albrecht, they do say in vino veritas. But ...Well, Albrecht, they do say <i>in vino veritas</i>. But I am intrigued...do you really imagine that the notions of (a) papal infallibility and (b) immediate jurisdiction of the pope were more extensive <i>before</i> Vatican I than after? What do you base this on?<br /><br />Jack, I'm not sure what you mean by "modernism"--Pius X's catch-all phrase <i>the synthesis of all Tony Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10862727279147129707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-84318426811391404502018-12-07T23:51:02.668+00:002018-12-07T23:51:02.668+00:00Tony V, where do get these notions from?? Did you ...Tony V, where do get these notions from?? Did you down a magnum of wine before writing your idea that VI's dogmagic definition EXPANDED papal power??Albrecht von Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12996637489269911349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-51320637112930793932018-12-07T17:19:47.360+00:002018-12-07T17:19:47.360+00:00Vatican I and its definition of papal infallibilit...Vatican I and its definition of papal infallibility was the only bulwark capable of protecting the dogmas of the faith from Modernism, which threatened to relativise / historicise everything. If it weren't for that definition the devil would have had a much easier time killing off the faith than he has. We should never cease thanking God for the document Pastor Aeternus. Your doubting of Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13858873453982708283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-34397879310944017602018-12-06T18:16:55.329+00:002018-12-06T18:16:55.329+00:00Unless it becomes normal to have emerited Popes, i...Unless it becomes normal to have emerited Popes, it will not dissuade a doctrinally adventurous Pope, because at the time he will be judged by his successor, he already will be judged by God. If he does not fear the latter, he would not care for the former.Pulexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13164993172745639593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-78081801065816758322018-12-06T15:22:25.751+00:002018-12-06T15:22:25.751+00:00I think it's rather disingenuous if we tell ou...I think it's rather disingenuous if we tell ourselves that Vatican I 'restricted' papal infallibility. I doubt that Pius IX rammed <i>Pastor Aeternus</i> through the council because he was worried someone might be overly generous in what they imputed to the pope, nor that the 60-odd bishops who left before the vote did so because they were disgusted that the document didn't Tony Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10862727279147129707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-50523491936598989472018-12-06T14:56:40.824+00:002018-12-06T14:56:40.824+00:00In my opinion, the problem is one of centralizatio...In my opinion, the problem is one of centralization. No bishop, at the extremities, feels capable/willing to deal with much of anything except paper-pushing procedure (e.g. sacramental records). It seems to me metropolitans should be responsible for the orthodoxy of their metropols. Referring everything to Rome creates a false expectation and false demand for the Petrine office to be everything Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-61507725718068310152018-12-06T14:36:11.718+00:002018-12-06T14:36:11.718+00:00Such a process could be very helpful, but it would...Such a process could be very helpful, but it would be more effective in dissuading a pope from doctinal howlers if it could occur <i>during</i> his pontificate. Somehow I don't think all popes care what their successors might do.Donna Bethellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03889995101309151034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-10463645903762020052018-12-06T13:40:57.825+00:002018-12-06T13:40:57.825+00:00I wonder how such a process would work considering...I wonder how such a process would work considering the principle "the First See is judged by no one". Konstantinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13701303189143549671noreply@blogger.com