tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post1147207249335951130..comments2024-03-28T14:19:53.973+00:00Comments on Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Salus, honor, virtus quoque sit ...Fr John Hunwickehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-69072636398503261332017-06-18T01:57:23.148+01:002017-06-18T01:57:23.148+01:00On the one hand, "Salus, Honor, Virtus...&quo...On the one hand, "Salus, Honor, Virtus..." is a perfectly sensible accalamation unto an ordinary King (esp. if we hope he may be a <i>good</i> King) and so, why not unto The King of Creation? But... Oh, what a nifty limb I might climb out along...<br /><br />There's this doctrinal maxim that God is Impassible; and it has seemed terribly odd to me for a long time, in that <i>also</i>Belfry Bathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00514867101036143597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-19122088601561224412017-06-16T19:38:23.917+01:002017-06-16T19:38:23.917+01:00A textual precedent, Isaiah 49: "Et dixit: Pa...A textual precedent, Isaiah 49: "Et dixit: Parum est ut sis mihi servus ad suscitandas tribus Jacob, et fæces Israël convertendas: ecce dedi te in lucem gentium, ut sis salus mea usque ad extremum terræ."<br /><br />We might compare John 14: "pacem meam do vobis, non quomodo mundus dat, ego do vobis."<br /><br />God's peace, God's salvation, not to be confused with anyDavid McPikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04997702078077124822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-57062519577574510852017-06-16T19:24:46.791+01:002017-06-16T19:24:46.791+01:00Not only do we ascribe our salvation to God's ...Not only do we ascribe our salvation to God's action, but "the whole salvation of man ... <i>is in God</i>," as in its efficient cause and exemplar, in particular as revealed in the death, resurrection, etc. of the incarnate word. <br /><br />STh I.1.1: "Quia veritas de Deo, per rationem investigata, a paucis, et per longum tempus, et cum admixtione multorum errorum, homini David McPikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04997702078077124822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-4125070050190774322017-06-16T10:26:07.229+01:002017-06-16T10:26:07.229+01:00I feel rather sheepish, since much cleverer soluti...I feel rather sheepish, since much cleverer solutions have been suggested, but isn't as simple as <i>salus</i> indicating the means of healing, or the principle of health? <i>"nisi quae mihi in te'st, haud tibi est in me salus</i>"? I don't always know whether St Thomas is being characteristically bold or characteristically cautious. Is he here doing anything more than Sprouting Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13158776272303192025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-48523595267516916622017-06-16T06:12:31.914+01:002017-06-16T06:12:31.914+01:00Father: is there anything more pleasant than a dat...Father: is there anything more pleasant than a dative? An Aorist perhaps? In the happy olden days,it was such a delight to hear,in the Biretta belt:"Father,we had ought to go now".Juicy!El Codohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01057779410347215062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-89147832997741188472017-06-16T01:22:05.514+01:002017-06-16T01:22:05.514+01:00This 'Gloria Patri' verse is the culminati...This 'Gloria Patri' verse is the culminating stanza of a long and theologically packed Sequentia by the subtle and brilliant St Thomas.<br />It is true that the attributes (Salus, Virtus) seem to be indiscriminately mixed with the synonyms for high praise (Honor, Laus, Jubilatio). But they are deliberately symmetrically placed - Salus (attribute) - Honor (praise) - Virtus (attribute) - John Vaschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00335331585265267754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-12396129545720624212017-06-16T00:27:17.195+01:002017-06-16T00:27:17.195+01:00Many commentaries cross reference Revelation 7:10 ...Many commentaries cross reference Revelation 7:10 to Psalm 3:8: "Salvation belongs to THE LORD, on your people your blessing". This not only seems to be saying that salvation comes from God but that is pertains to God as an eternal state which then overflows to his people as blessing. This picks up on the suggestion that salus has a meaning as "perfection", but it is not just Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-61459147662984376482017-06-15T23:15:11.834+01:002017-06-15T23:15:11.834+01:00Dear Ms Unknown
If you look at the whole stanza yo...Dear Ms Unknown<br />If you look at the whole stanza you will discover that it is about attributing a number of nominative things to the three Persons of the Blessed Trinity, in the dative, by means of the subjunctive verb sit.Fr John Hunwickehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17766211573399409633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-14787771786832651552017-06-15T23:01:31.121+01:002017-06-15T23:01:31.121+01:00Thank you Father. It is very easy to trot out thes...Thank you Father. It is very easy to trot out these words without really understanding what they mean. I think that your explanation of "salus" is quite right, it is about us acknowledging that our salvation comes from God alone and is not something we achieve by ourselves. However, could not this hermeneutic also apply to the other concepts of "honor" and "virtus"? Colin Spinkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06187466247865796371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-67486554670470436502017-06-15T18:39:25.152+01:002017-06-15T18:39:25.152+01:00Are you taking the sit to be something other than ...Are you taking the <i>sit</i> to be something other than the third-person-singular conjunctive conjugation for <i>esse</i>? I thought rather than the phrase being about our attributing qualities to the Blessed Sacrament that it was about hoping those qualities would be attributed to us through worthy reception. Something like: <i>May It/He Be unto us strength, honour, salvation and very Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14050224053249334433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8940364093450837549.post-3039476319364950022017-06-15T13:17:25.176+01:002017-06-15T13:17:25.176+01:00Thank you for reminding me, it is Corpus Christi!
...Thank you for reminding me, it is Corpus Christi!<br /><br />Blessed Feast Day!Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.com